Comments on: Counting CSM Blackjack (+EV)

By: James

James — Mon, 20 May 2013 06:15:59 +0000

Hi Steve,

It’s been a while since I’ve talked with you. Hope you are doing well with your Lunar Poker.

If the dealer put the cards into the CSM after every round, say after the 1st round, the total no of cards dealt = 9 cards and cards dealt in 2nd round = 12 cards, should we use 16 cards buffer or 21(9 + 12) cards windowed count ?

Do you received my email about the “special” basic strategy which will give the player an edge of +0.032% ?

James

By: stephenhow

stephenhow — Tue, 14 May 2013 20:23:01 +0000

Thanks for the confirmation on the countability of CSM blackjack. I’m probably going to upload a CSM BJ simulation kit to Github when I get around to it. There’s a few people out there that care about counting CSM blackjack, and want to evaluate custom strategies.

By: Wilson Fang

Wilson Fang — Mon, 13 May 2013 03:41:34 +0000

somemore, u can takeover other players surrender’s bet. says surrender on 12 or 13 vs dealer’s face card, or surrender on 14,15 vs dealer’s 9 or didnt double down on 9,10,11 (please get approval becos 1 card allowed to be drawn)

By: Wilson Fang

Wilson Fang — Mon, 13 May 2013 03:31:13 +0000

i used a 5m simulator by using 7 boxes data, stand onsoft 17, double on 9, 10,11, surrender allow, split for 3 times, no peek at blackjack, double allwoed after split, A split once, and CSM machines (house edge = -0.5%, -ve meant advantage for casino) averagely around 28-30 cards info to do the card counting,

2,3,4,5,6 = +1,
7,8,9 = 0
A,T,J,Q,K = -1

Bet 1x, count <+5
Bet 2x, count = +5
Bet 3x, count = +10
BEt 4x, count = +15

I prepared 1000 unit capital to fight with Casino, after 1000 hours played in Casino during weekend for 1 year ++, I made a small profit, around +0.1% from my total bet…I believe it works

By: flixo21

flixo21 — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:55:07 +0000

Thanks you for your anwser …

Some casinos just wait 1 round before putting back the discard into the csm, some others don’t wait and put back during the round, but also I know some casinos where they wait 2 decks even more before putting it back. I’m pretty sure it can be profitable, espescially with good rules ? but I don’t know exactly how to count it, when to reset RC etc …

Is there any counting system better than other for counting a CSM ? or Does it exist some different strategy for CSM ? I ask you that because I know some pros who now play on CSM with succes and I don’t know exactly what they are doing …

Thanks you very much

By: stephenhow

stephenhow — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:32:56 +0000

In the above post, I describe the use of a *windowed* running count, that’s never reset. However, it’s often much more convenient (and practical) to reset the count after a round of hands, particularly when the muck = last round of hands. I’ll post soon on when conditions work for non-windowed (reset after each round) count with a CSM.

By: flixo21

flixo21 — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:22:04 +0000

The cards putted back into the csm make time to be completely reshuffled in to csm, how to know when to reset EXACTLY my RC in the case with a muck of 1 deck etc… ?

By: flixo

flixo — Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:18:14 +0000

I understand, but when the dealer put back the discard (muck) into the csm there is a time to wait in order to have these cards reshuffle. how to know when I have to reset my RC ? (when the muck is completely in the csm)?

By: stephenhow

stephenhow — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:43:30 +0000

The buffer is a minimum number of cards maintained in the front of the chute where the cards egress the one2six. The muck is the accumulated discards before it is placed back in the shuffler. For a CSM, you should use the running count of the muck plus the last N (buffer depth) cards fed into the shuffler. If there is no muck (it was just fed back into the shuffler), then only use the count of the last N cards.

By: flixo21

flixo21 — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 01:58:31 +0000

I know some casinos with very good rules (0,11% edge off the top) but using one2six shufflemaster
I want to play it but I didn’t understand everything of your post.
What is “buffer” and “muck”
it depend of the casino, they put back the discard sometime directely after each round, sometime after 2 or 3 round. My question is, when to begin counting hilo and when to go back to “zero”
for example ; if the count is +5 at the end of the first round
I bet for a RC of +5 or a TC of 0,5-1 in the 2nd round (the dealer put back the discard at the end of the first round) and count again from zero for the 2nd round ?
How do I do if the dealer decide to put back the discard ‘during’ a round and not at the end …

Thanks you in advance