# Discount Gambling

## Two-Person Panda-8 Co-Count

Posted in +EV, baccarat, dragon-7, panda-8 by stephenhow on January 17, 2013

There are times when you’re at a casino with a friend, and you want to count the EZ-Baccarat Dragon-7. Normally, it’s kind of boring, and you certainly don’t need two people to do it. While it’s a good advantage play, it’d be better and a lot more fun if your friend could help with the Panda-8. I’ve posted a very complicated Panda-8 count that yields about 22% of a fixed bet per shoe. I’ve also posted a super-simple Panda-8 co-count that only yields about 9% of a fixed bet per shoe, but is meant as a single-person add-on to the Dragon-7 count.

In this post, I’ve worked out a better Panda-8 co-count that can be easily tracked by a second person. You add its running count to the Dragon-7 RC to determine when to bet the Panda. The idea exploits the common values between the two counts, resulting in a simple Panda-8 co-count. I worked this out, because I plan to use it.

Here’s the taps for the Panda-8 co-count. You add its running count to the unbalanced Dragon-7 running count, and bet when the total count is +35 or higher. You’ll get about +13.4% of a fixed bet per shoe, on an average of 3.6 bets per shoe.

Panda-8 Co-Count (Add to Dragon-7 Unbalanced RC, Bet When Combined RC >= 35)
Rank Count
Six, Seven, King, Queen +1
Trey -1
Eight -3
Unbalanced Dragon-7 Count (Bet for RC >= 32)
Rank Count
Four, Five, Six, Seven -1
Eight, Nine +2
Ace +1

### 4 Responses

1. Josh said, on January 18, 2013 at 8:26 pm

In the Panda 8 Co-Count, I understand to +1 at 6,7,Q,K but what does trey mean?

• JD said, on January 21, 2013 at 9:10 am

Trey means three, like how Deuce means two.

2. Tyrese Le said, on November 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

Hi stephenhow,

The JSTAT count, NOR/SAP/System40 (bias/shuffle placement theory), and just plain ol’ Baccarat can’t be beat.

After coming to your blog, I feel that the card counting methods and analysis you provided are sufficient evidence for me to attempt but I have a question!

My partner and I plan to play baccarat with +EV (on side bets of course!).
After reading your 5-7 posts regarding Dragon Bonus, Dragon-7, Panda-8, Panda-8 Co-Count, etc.

I’m a little confused who should count what.

Let’s say my partner and I both play together. What is the best strategy in terms of counting for each of us?
Would I count Dragon-8 unbalanced and my partner counts Panda-8 (off this page)? And then follow each other’s bets when +EV?

3. cardini said, on June 20, 2017 at 5:53 am

i don’t understand why king/queen +1,and then not 10/jack when they have same value?